Oh, God. so it begins. The "V" pilot is on and...

[The Backlash Cometh]

...the main "Visitor" alien just said they want to introduce Universal Health Care.

So who rewrote this pilot and what flavor of propaganda are we going to have to put up with to enjoy the remake?

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. Told ya so

Another ABC/Disney propaganda piece.

As I said here

[Touchdown]

35. It's Warner Bros. I told YOU so last week.

Lie much?

[Sebastian Doyle]

42. What the fuck ever

AOL TimeWarner is another right wing douchebag corporation, so what the fuck is your point?

[Touchdown]

48. That after you were told, you ignored it like Hannity does...

And continue to feed the falsehood with your V=ACORN paranoia.

Not even watching to make sure you're right, are you?

[Sebastian Doyle]

54. So now you're comparing me to Hannity?

Now there's irony..... considering who syndicates his radio show.

[Touchdown]

57. Yes I am. You tried to stir up shit last week about something you know nothing about.

And then came here tonight to brag about it.

Just like Hannity.

[Sebastian Doyle]

66. Why the fuck do you have such a hard on for the Disney-ABC corporation?

They aren't worth defending, and if you really believe they are, perhaps you took a wrong turn on your way to RimJob's Digital Trailer Park?

[Touchdown]

68. I don't. I have a hard time with self appointed outrage patriots

trying to get people riled up over a fucking TV Show. As if we have nothing else to be angry over.

And fuck you and your Freeper accusations. I've been here as long, and probably longer than you.

EDIT: Yeah. MUCH MUCH longer than you. Joined in 2008? I was 2002. again... get bent.

[Bucky]

97. I can't believe you two geeks are arguing over the V show.

What a couple of maroons! Both of you go wash your piss off each other's boots and then find something worth fighting about.

And then find someone worth fighting with.

[Touchdown]

99. We quit last night. Mr. Johnny Come Lately.

Funny you resurrecting a dead thread from last night to tell us it's not worth it.

[jgraz]

62. WarnerBros and The Mouse. Who could ask for more?

[Windy]

2. The rebels also said that the "terrorists" have infiltrated the govt and military

and started unnecessary wars... brought out religious extremists, etc...

We have both sides of the political equation equally touched on...

Don't read too much into it.

[Windy]

9. Again, the v's are labeled as infilitrating, starting unnecessary wars

and promoting religious extremism and ruining the economy...

the good guys, the rebels, are fighting the evil ones who infiltrated, etc.

[Touchdown]

65. How soon they forget election rigging in Ohio, and were called "conspiracy theorists"

"Moonbat liberals" "Loony Left" and all those other things. Now that we're in power, anything on ABC is seen as a threat to us.

[Hoopla Phil]

18. Seems to have a bit of an influance from "They Live" don't they?

[AzNick]

36. Great movie. Great fight :) nt

[Touchdown]

44. The original V predated They Live by 5 years. They are similar stories.

But... the original V was pretty much a cuisinart of sci-fi themes and cliches.

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. With tight-ass pants on the men.

Oh, that was the only thing that I use to like about watching the pro-basketball teams.

[Touchdown]

77. Watching it, I kept remembering Buck Rogers from the same era.

Tight pants on slightly chubby Gil Whatzizname, and that princess with her big hair and pout!

[The Backlash Cometh]

87. Exactly.

What is so acceptable about those poofy haired women (who all played reptiles), is that their characters were such extreme, domineering princesses, that it works. Diana reminds me of a beauty contestant that will stop at nothing to win the contest.

[DatManFromNawlins]

3. Um... it makes sense given the tenor of the show

The Vs aren't just giving people universal healthcare, they're healing people with miraculous procedures. Easier to snow people over when you give them what they dream about.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. So did they reply - "you'll have to go to the US - everyone else already has it." nt

[bermudat]

83. Good one

[Mojambo]

5. Sirota had a piece at HuffPo about whether this is gonna be a rightwing thing.

Too soon to tell I think.

I'll be able to enjoy it either way.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Well, it's true that the main alien demanded positive media.

Very Republican.

[Bluerthanblue]

6. and the kid was "tagging" for the aliens and calling it "hope" and

the alien spokesperson said something about everyone "resisting change". I just said to one of my kids, "I'm sensing a republican agenda here- i hope they turn it around somehow".

[G_j]

11. humans are not to blame, never do extreme, unnecessary wars, graffiti and things

on their own, it's all caused by nasty aliens!

[Barack_America]

8. Ugh. My husband is insisting on watching it.

I have no interest.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. I'm a sucker for Sci Fi.

[TCJ70]

12. The V's are just deceivers...

...and I think we can all agree there are deceivers on both sides of the aisle. I don't see it as propaganda for one party or the other.

[TlalocW]

13. I remember a Knight Rider movie put out in the 90s

It took place in the relatively near future. KITT, the computer that ran the car in the original series, had been mothballed. Michael was brought out of retirement and teamed with KITT again in a city where all guns had been replaced by stunners that weren't very effective. A shot of a news program had a snippet about President Quayle. The bad guys, defeated at the end, were put into suspended animation (which was implied to have been instituted by liberals and was deemed ineffective punishment), and the technician in charge mentioned something about having to defrost, "Some guy named Manson," implying a lax on crime attitude.

It sucks when they take old shows people are familiar with and inject politics into them.

TlalocW

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. I did see some of the original "V" shows this week.

What an era! Tight ass pants on men and the reptilian women were so vampishly Heathers! God, I loved it!

[Donnachaidh]

39. I taped the original and still have the tapes!

I think what I was hoping for was better lizard makeup this time around, but I wasn't impressed with the changes in the plot line - and the snarky hope references.

This could be a good remake - but from what I've seen tonight, I don't hold out much *hope*. The original was pure-D camp sci fi. This one already screams melodrama.

Don't want to see a sci-fi soap opera...

[The Backlash Cometh]

45. Really, when you think about it,

it can only get better because the characters in the original were pretty limited in depth.

[Donnachaidh]

95. heh -- and Willy caused the birth of Freddy Krueger

Robert Englund was sooooo typecast after the show he couldn't get work. So here comes the opposite of Willy - and a legend was born!

[Orrex]

43. Was Richard Lynch in it? If not, then I simply can't believe that he wasn't.

[Roland99]

14. Leave it to right-wingers to have NO originality. Remaking a series from DECADES ago???

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. We'll give it time.

It's customary to begin something with extremes, and watch the changes develop with each series.

[Roland99]

26. My gut call? This will be forgotten quickly and amount to not much.

The original was, well, original (not in overall plot of an alien invasion but in how it was protrayed, esp. the miniseries format).

This is just rehashing what's already been done. Like Tom Cruise in the War of the Worlds remake. Throwing flashy CGI and fast camera edits does not equal creativity.

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. Good points.

I think we're getting more sophisticated about character development as an audience. (I mean, look at Dexter and Nurse Jackie, for instance) The writers of "V" better deliver.

[Ian David]

17. I saw this coming a mile away. n/t

[Occulus]

20. Well, according to the story thus far,

the Visitors have actually been here for decades, starting unnecessary wars, fomenting general global unrest, committing terrorist acts, wrecking economies... in other words, providing the instability necessary for a "savior" (the Visitor version of Reagan) to come riding in out of the darkness, capable of fixing everything if we will only XYZ.

If there's a negative political statement being made here, it's not pointed at us.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Hmmm....

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

[Ian David]

24. You're forgetting that Conservatives chronically project.

For example, they're trying to say HITLER was a LIBERAL now.


But then again, all the Visitors are supposed to be attractive.

And although I love some of our most Liberal congress-critters...

... you know they're not always easy on the eyes.

[anonymous171]

37. Reminds me of the Shock Doctrine. nt

[27inCali]

19. Ron Paulers on Youtube

have been using images comparing Obama to V for over a year now.

ABC's just marketing to those people.

[X_Digger]

21. It's sci-fi people, not political theater..

Every party under the sun either claimed the new Battlestar Galactica as their own, or claimed it was biased against them (or both at various times during it's run.)

[Deja Q]

25. Also true

It's still just television. Don't read into it too much...

[Ian David]

28. Right. Just television. Just like The Twilight Zone, Maude, All in The Family and Babylon 5.

Sci-fi is usually social commentary of some sort.

(Yes, I know Maude and All in The Family aren't sci-fi).

[Touchdown]

61. Funny you mention TZ. V's plot is lifted right off of "To Serve Man"

[Ian David]

69. The original V series wasn't supposed to be about aliens.

It was supposed to be about a Fascist coup in America, but the network asked them to re-write it to be about aliens.

I forget where I read that.

[Touchdown]

72. No it wasn't. I read the interview with the original creator, Kenneth Johnson.

Who also produces this show.

His original idea was what happens when fascists take over the US. Since in the early 80s, not even the Soviets had the overwhelming power to do that, he chose an alien species with a hidden agenda. NBC bought it because it had aliens and they made some money on Buck Rogers a year earlier.

[The Backlash Cometh]

88. I never saw Red Dawn, but the plot is "V" without the aliens.

[MadMaddie]

29. This is true!

[Deja Q]

23. I read a couple reviews - the writer CLAIMS there is no parallel to current events...

(uh, my "bullshit detector" not only turned in, it blew up. )

[Touchdown]

78. Who was the writer?

[gooey]

27. YAAAY!

I'm so glad I saw this post. I been dying to see the show. Thanks from the west coast.

[Barack_America]

30. So far I'm finding District 9 more believable.

Aliens named "Lisa" come to Earth and nobody finds that suspect?

Right.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. If someone wants to take over our country, I expect them to look and sound

like a young Ralph Reed and that conservo chick from that coffee clutch show.

[undeterred]

31. And that means they're really terrorists.

Its a dead giveaway.

[Hissyspit]

34. It's ABC. The "Path To 9/11" people.

[Touchdown]

40. It's Warner Bros. The "Mystic River" people.

ABC is only airing it.

[Hissyspit]

49. Which is why I won't be watching it.

Haven't turned on ABC for years.

But then, I thought the original 'V' sucked, too.

[Touchdown]

50. Then how do you know it's another "Path to 9/11"?

You could be missing another "W" instead.

[Hissyspit]

51. I didn't say it is another Path To 9/11. I said it was on ABC.

I don't watch ABC.

[Touchdown]

75. I didn't bring up P2 9/11. You did.

So obviously there is some connection in your mind.

[Hissyspit]

80. I don't watch ABC because of Path To 9/11.

[Hawkeye-X]

38. Please. No spoilers.

I am DVR'ing that show.

Thanks

[Bucky]

98. Col Tai's wife is the 12th Cylon.

Oh, wait, I thought you said mo' spoilers. My bad.

[Touchdown]

100. No she's not! He turns into her after he kills the lady in the shower.

[lildreamer316]

41. Yep. I noticed that pregnant pause over the words.

It's so damned irritating.

[Orrex]

46. I didn't notice that, but I saw a commercial for an amazing video game

Apparently you get to pilot this device called an "unmanned aerial vehicle" and blow up bad guys.

Where do I sign up to participate in this excellent game, which apparently I can play from within the safety of my cubicle?

[Liberal In Texas]

52. 4 episodes to air for Nov. sweeps then nothing until March. Then rumor has it...

"There also are reports of a "creative" revamp intended to short-circuit those Obama comparisons." According to this review: http://unclebarky.com/reviews_files/930671ca39508beb5cc...

So apparently there was some intent to compare the coming of the Visitors with the coming of the Obama administration. Promising Hope and Universal Health Care with the people adoring them as saviors in down-spiraling times. And of course, the Visitors are duplicitous and evil.

[The Backlash Cometh]

53. Well, they better revamp it if they plan on keeping their audience.

[Liberal In Texas]

56. I watched the thing and don't plan on it again.

Inane acting and a plot that's not exactly original. Too many loud commercials. Reminded me why the TV is usually only on to watch movies. Pretty good HD SFX for TV though.

[nashville_brook]

55. that was the worst piece of shit -- not just b/c of the politique -- it just sucked

sad to see so many decent actors having to trudge thru it. there were parts that we were laughing out loud b/c of the overwrought camera work... even the camera work was overwrought, for gods' sake.

[Liberal_in_LA]

58. awwww. too bad. i was looking forward to it. Airs in 1 hour here.

[The Gunslinger]

60. Yea it was really bad

I'll give it another week , maybe two to get better, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Touchdown]

59. Did it ever occur to any of you dipshits that sci-fi "UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE"...

is possibly truly universal, as in curing cancer or AIDS in a scientific pretense, and not what we say it is?

Geez... communists under every rock. Now, Obama haters under every rock.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. Do you remember the quote?

Think really hard, now. What was the exchange between the two? Wasn't it made clear that it was what was already understood as universal health care?

[Touchdown]

67. I'm at work. I have it recorded. I'll watch at midnight.

.. and then I'll make up my own mind. No need to join the borg collective here.

From what I've seen, they are curing anything and everything that afflicts us. Not universal coverage on insurance premiums.

[Techn0Girl]

70. Thank you ....

for letting me know what troll to put on ignore.
You.

[Touchdown]

73. My heart bleeds. Want to eat it, like the aliens...oops Obama do?

[Fuzz]

64. Sheesh. Lighten up people. Again. It's fiction and stuff. Like 24.

Enjoy it or ignore it.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

[Fleshdancer]

90. +1

It's just a TV show.

[NoSheep]

71. So no one here watched the documentary about the Obama campaign?

[FrenchieCat]

74. I did.......

Watched 1/2 and taped the other half for later.....

It is fab!

I don't watch dumbass television series about imaginary aliens....

But I do watch great documentaries directed by Ed Norton!

[NoSheep]

79. I had to order HBO yesterday for the event. I cried...the whole time.

So much hard work. So much dedication and emotion in that campaign. Made me want to come and post about how we cannot abandon this fight...I just don't have it in me tonight.

[Fleshdancer]

94. It was great

It did a great job of reminding me how looooong the primary was. I wish they spent more time on the GE, but I assume the documentary people just didn't get the same level of access once the primaries were over. Watching the campaign works and volunteers break down after the election was called made my cry happy tears all over again.

[progressivebydesign]

76. And.. one of the promos had the aliens saying they wanted to "spread hope!"

considering most tv writers are coked up 20-something guys from Encino, it makes sense that they'd lack the sophistication to understand what they're doing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

89. LOL!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. I watched the first five minutes.

Wooden acting. Lousy script. Phony situations. Shitty special effects. Terrible editing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

91. If people stopped with a mediocre first presentation,

where would the Twilight Saga be today?

I'm willing to give it a chance for old time's sake, but, those writers better sharpen up.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

102. Twilight? Is that a joke?

If people could recognize shit, we wouldn't have Twilight. And that would be a god thing.

V wasn't mediocre, it was shit.

[MilesColtrane]

82. I found the "hope/change" references to be innocuous.

But, the fact that the reporter character made a point to unnecessarily reiterate the words to the effect of "You mean, Universal Health Care?" made me think that this was a case of negative product placement.

[J-Lo Biafra]

84. I just refuse to watch it because remakes suck.

[The Backlash Cometh]

92. Fair comment.

[Canuckistanian]

85. You mean "introduce Universal Health Care to Americans"

Because the rest of the world already has it.

[DRoseDARs]

86. Well THAT was much ado about nothing... they implied the neocons, religious wingnuts and K Street

...were the Lizard People.

Sure, they took jabs at the liberal side of the spectrum too, but y'all need to get a fucking grip.

[The Backlash Cometh]

93. I'll take the hit for being over-vigilant.

But, the reality is, that the otherside has managed a revolution with the "read between the lines" code words.

[walldude]

96. Fuck. Do we need to start removing all the sharp objects?

Because this place is starting to look as loony as FNC or freeperville or the NRA. Paranoid.

[gooey]

101. I was so excited too.

Terrible. Just terrible. The writing, directing, acting. All horrible. And the "message" was way to overt to even be taken seriously.

Disappointing to say the least.